This segment is archived as 'ABC Sept. 13, 2001 8:23 pm - 9:05 pm---ABC 7, Washington, D.C.' and Chung's 13-minute piece aired at 8:33 PM, or at the 11:00 mark on the tape counter. This was the most widely seen rebroadcast, of an interview that originally aired that afternoon (And don't miss Peter Jenning's talk with Eric Holder on this tape, which leads in to Connie Chung . Everything old is new again!)
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The following is a damn good transcript, if I do say so myself!
Peter Jennings: Eric Holder, thank you very much for your time. Eric Holder, in our Washington bureau tonight. The former deputy attorney general of the United States, and at one point, the acting attorney general of the United States in the Clinton administration, telling us what all of the people most familiar with this have told us, this is going to be a long struggle. Now, as we have watched the results, which have been, just like a ripple effects across the country and across the world at what happened at the twin trade towers, we have focused from time to time on companies, which had their offices in the trade towers, and there is no company, to the best of our knowledge, which has been more profoundly affected than a company called Cantor-Fitzgerald, which does a huge amount of the bond trading in the United States. A huge number of its employees have been lost, and are still...have been lost, and/or still missing. And earlier today, ABC's Connie Chung sat down and talked to the CEO of that company, and we wanted very much for her to come back live this evening and, and review her, her reporting on that company today. Connie..These people are are all lying. Why would the New York Times on September 15, 2001, in "The Sound Was 'Like a Jet Engine Right in My Ear," report Howard's slip of the tongue
Connie: Thank you Peter. Peter, to some on Wall Street, Cantor Fitzgerald sort of symbolizes the devastation of the terrorist attack. When American Airlines Flight number 11 crashed into the North Tower, it cut off any hope of escape for almost all the Cantor employees."
[Start pre-recorded video.]
Connie Chung: In the high flying world of high-finance the company of Cantor-Fitzgerald occupies an elite position. Last year the firm handled 50 trillion dollars of business as an exchange market for banks and companies doing trades in the global bond market. And for its headquarters Cantor chose an elite location, proudly showcased in its corporate video---the North Tower of the World Trade Center. About one thousand of Cantor's employees worked on the 101rst, 103rd, 104rth and 105th floors of the tower. Doug Gardner was the chief financial officer of Cantor. His wife Jennifer...
Jennifer Gardner: Doug is everyone's shoulders. If you...if you need support, he's shoulders. If you need money, or a helping hand, there was his hands. If you needed legs for a basketball game, he was there. He's just everybody's rock, everybody's center, the warmest, kindest, biggest smile. Big blue eyes. The most delicious man you ever met.
Connie: As CFO, Gardner had a window office on the executive wing of the 105th floor. Gardner liked to get in early. He was at his desk at 8:48AM on Tuesday. Jennifer Gardner didn't find out right away that a plane had crashed into the North Tower, hitting between floors 96 and 103. She was with her children Michael and Julia. [Addressing Jennifer] Did your husband talk to anyone that morning when the plane hit?
Jennifer: Yes. Doug's father, Joe Gardner called Doug at ten of nine when we heard, he heard on the news, that there was a cras...an explosion. And Doug answered the phone, and said, 'we're evacuating, we have to get out of here.' And Doug's father just said 'just go! Go!' So, and you know, I heard, someone called me, and said someone talked to Doug, and I said fine, so I went home kind of casually to watch what happened, and then I saw the building collapse, and I felt his presence just leave me.
Connie: Cantor Fitzgerald has set up a corporate center at the Pierre Hotel providing up-to-date information and grief consoling. Two employees who were on the concourse level survived, badly burned and critical condition. None of the employees on the upper floors it's believed to have made it out.
Connie: [to Jennifer] Have you told your children?
Jennifer: Julia doesn't really understand anything, she feels the intense emotion around her, but she's still too much of a baby. Michael is five---he knows. We told him that, um, there was a big accident at daddy's building, and we can't find him. And then the next day he woke up and said 'I think daddy died.' [Video Edited] I want them to know that daddy did not leave because he wanted to, [Starts to weep] but that he was taken...and then, it wasn't his fault. And it wasn't their fault. And daddy loved them.
Connie: Howard Lutnick, the CEO of Cantor-Fitzgerald, was best friends with Doug Gardner. Lutnick had been on top of the world, celebrating his 40th birthday this past July in Europe with Doug and Jennifer Gardner, [the clause that follows sounds like an edit, spliced in by Chung after the fact] and other friends in the company. Last Tuesday his world and his company crumbled around him.
[End videotape.]
Connie: Of the thousand of Cantor employees at the trade center, only 300 are
accounted for at this time, and none was at the building at that time. This immense human loss has truly devastated the chairman and CEO, Howard Lutnik, whose own brother is missing and presumed dead.
[Start Lutnik video interview]
Connie: You have suffered such great professional and personal loss. Do you...what is the fate of your brother?
Howard: Well, my brother, my brother was on the 103rd floor, he worked, he worked for me, um, he worked at Cantor, and he um, he called my sister, ah, just after the, just after the plane hit, and he told her that, um, he said that the smoke was pouring in. He was, he was stuck in a corner office, and there was no way out, and the smoke was coming in, and, he's not good, and things are not good, and he's not going to make it. And he just wanted to say that he loved her. And he wanted to say goodbye, and tell everyone that, that he loved them. Then the phone went, the phone went dead, so while I'm the head of the company, I'm trying to help my 700 employees who are missing their loved ones, I'm just, I'm just another one of them. I'm just another one of them.
Connie: Normally you would have been in your office, ah...on which floor?
Howard: On the 105th floor.
Connie: On the 105th floor. And yet you didn't go in early that morning. Because of a critical decision you made.
Howard: [Laughing] My little boy--I have a five-year-old, and it was his first day of kindergarten at, at ah, at Horace Mann, so, I took him for his first day of big-boy school. And, ah, because of that I was late getting down to the office, and therefore I wasn't in the building. I was on my way to the building instead.
Connie: And when you got to the building?
Howard: Well, I saw the building on fire, so I didn't go in, um, but I stood, I stood at the door, um, off of Church Street, um, where there are flags there, and I stood at the door, um, and people were coming out, and I was yelling at them, you know, to run and get out, and there were police sort of around me, um, yelling at people to get out, and I would ask them what floor they were coming from, what floor they were coming from? And someone said, "55!" And I'd scream out, "55!" and, because I kept wanting to get up the building..
Connie: So all of your employees were on...?
Howard: 101 to 105, the top floors of, of, number One World Trade Center, which they call now the North Tower.
Connie: So how high was the highest number that you got to?
Howard: I got to the 91rst floor. And I know that if I got to one employee, if one person came down from that floor, then I know that there had to be others, there would be others behind them, and there would be others going out other doors, and that would be good, but I got up to 91, and then I heard this sound. It sounded like another plane was going to hit the building, and it was, but it didn't sound like it was far away. It sounded like it was, like, right were the ceiling is above us. It was so unbelievably loud, and someone screamed out, "another one is coming!" So I just turned around and I ran, and I was running...
Connie: What was it?
Howard: It was, it was, number 2 World Trade Center collapsing. So I'm, I'm standing underneath a building like an idiot, um, and I start running and I'm trying to get ahead of the smoke, and then the smoke comes around the corner on Trinity and Church, where I ran, and it knocks me down underneath a truck, and I'm sitting there in this black, the blackest black that could ever be. I reached up and tried to see if I could see, and I put my hand up and I actually touched me eye, because...and was so much smoke and I wasn't...
Commie: So you couldn't even see your own hand?
Howard: I couldn't see my hand. I could feel the particles in the air. They were like this big [holds up fingers] I could feel them going in, and I couldn't think to pick up my shirt, I was just sitting there thinking, I can't believe it, I can't believe that by standing there I died. So I just start walking, I start walking straight, and I just walked straight, I kept walking straight. And I called my wife four hours later, and she was hysterical crying. So I understand why it took lots of people lots of time. I was, I'm a pretty together person and I...four hours I walked. I just walked north, I just kept walking.
Connie: One of your other offices had a squawk box open, and the other offices were able to hear the screams. Is that true?
Howard: I dunno, I dunno that they heard...it is true that we had a squawk box..yea...we have a speaker phone because all our offices are connected in our equity business, um, they're all connected to each other, because they talk to each other all day, and they heard them saying, "we need help, we need help!" It wasn't, it wasn't screams, it was, there was nowhere to go. You couldn't go down, you couldn't go up, there was nowhere to go, but I don't know of a single one of my employees who got down---zero, zero, and it's really sad but I think we're all pulling together, with the view that, we want to make things happen for them, we need to take care of them, we need to figure out how to take care of them, and give them more, take care of them. And I think it's going to be a completely different kind of drive then I've ever had before, it's not about, it's not about my family, I can kiss my kids. I can kiss my kids tonight, but other people don't get to kiss their kids, and I just have to help them. And I think, I think it's amazing, amazing that 300 people, they lost all their friends, they lost the person to their left, they lost the person to their right, and they call me up and say I want to go to work. I say, why do you want to go to work? Let's just go to funerals. I don't know. I want to go to work and not stay home. I can't stay home. I have to make, and I have to work, and I have to do something, and so they actually wanted to try and figure out how to be in business. It's unbelievable! It's crazy. It doesn't make any sense, but the reason they want to be in business---and there's only one reason to be in business. It's because we have to make our company be able to take care of my 700 families. 700 hundred families! We have 700 families... [sobs] It's just...I can't say it...I can't say it without crying, but...
Connie: You spent hours and hours talking to every family member. You have spent hours at the Pierre Hotel, in that ballroom.
Howard: Well, I go in, I just, I just tell them, look, I'll answer any question, any question you want, anything about it, but I lost my brother, and I'm in no different position then you are, I'm not any different, I'll just tell you everything I know. But I got to say to everybody, so that they believed me, that when I say that we are doing everything we can to find their kid, that they know that I do not look for my brother---I don't go to any hospital, or get anybody to go to any hospital and say, find Gary Lutnik for me...
Connie: Why not?
Howard: Because I go with employee list. Here's my list. Here's everybody that I got. Find somebody on this list. I don't care who they are. Because if you find me somebody on this list, then I get to call them, then I get to give somebody else some hope, some dream, maybe, maybe, they get to kiss their kids...it's...I'd love to find my brother...I'd love to find, to find THEIR brother, or their wife, or their husband, or anything, anything.
Connie: It's been said that the loss of your company will have world-wide impact.
Howard: Cantor-Fitzgerald is the primary...it's like the exchange for the world's bond markets, I mean, it, IT IS the exchange for the world bond markets. We, last year, we did 50 trillion dollars in business. Today, the remaining employees of Cantor-Fitzgerald and eSpeed, have worked every second, since that BOMB, and they made that decision, and I told them there's no reason for us to open. I don't care when we open, if we open, it doesn't matter to me. And they, collectively, 250 of them, collectively voted, that they were going to open the markets, and this morning, at seven AM, those people opened, for business, not to make money, not to...but they did it because, they thought if, that if the, if the Fed and the treasury wanted it to be open, it was important enough for them to show strength for America and for these markets, then they would do their damnedest to get it open, and they did. And if...I voted against it, I said why? I don't want you to work. I want you to go home and kiss your kids and hug your families...but they, it's them, they wanted, they wanted to do it, maybe for themselves, maybe for their friends who, who they lost, but, for right this second, our electronic systems are running around the world, and it's...I don't know...maybe it's a miracle, maybe it's because...these people are just, they're unbelievable. They are the best.
Connie: Maybe they're the best because they had an incredible boss.
Howard: Let me...a route, you can only be a good boss if you have the right people, and I'm glad they chose to be with me, but I'm the saddest person in the world that they chose to be with me, cause they chose to be with me...[sobs]...so many people, so many names...so many people that I loved...
[End videotaped interview]
Connie: Many of the Cantor families that we spoke with said he's truly a remarkable man, and I think Peter, he just clearly doesn't fit the image of a typical CEO on Wall Street.
Peter: No kidding. Thanks Connie, very much. Connie Chung. And Howard Lutnik, a personality from Cantor-Fitzgerald, the CEO, a man with 700 families, and a much, ah, expanded family, I would think, now that we have been with him and shared his tragedy with him. Howard Lutnik, a personality this country will not forget. Period. Now, as we take a deep breath, there are major developments in the investigation...
[8:49PM EST]
"...but I got up to 91, and then I heard this sound. It sounded like another plane was going to hit the building, and it was, but it didn't sound like it was far away. It sounded like it was, like, right were the ceiling is above us. It was so unbelievably loud, and someone screamed out, "another one is coming!" So I just turned around and I ran, and I was running..."this way:
I got to the 60's, 70's, then 80's. The last number I heard was 91.What kind of conspiratorial power does it take to get the New York Times involved in an attempt to clean up a devastating slip? According to his own story, Howard Lutnick was not present downtown for either plane crash. To further muddy the record, the Daily Record in Glasgow, Scotland, also published an article on September 15th, "Terrorist Attack New York: 700 Dead Friends, and they put it this way:
Then I heard this noise. It sounded like a jet engine coming. I looked up. The sound was the loudest thing I had ever heard -- like a jet engine right in my ear.
"I heard a sound," Lutnick wept. "It sounded like another plane hit the building.Here they excuse Lutnick's reference to "another" as meaning he was referring to the second plane crash, which of course is an absurdity given he wasn't present at the site then.
"It was the plane that hit tower two. It was so unbelievably loud.
"Someone screamed that another one was coming. I started running,
I'm glad I hadn't studied the nuances on display in this video interview until recently, when they provided me with verification that the many parts to analyzing the 9/11 conspiracy are falling neatly into a proper order.
For example, in these interviews, we can see clear distinctions between two hypothetical classes of mortality-personas---those beings who make up the fabricated lists of those supposed killed on 9/11. One type is known as "vicsim," for digitally fabricated simulations, the "persons" who were played in the run up to 9/11 by agents or assets of the conspiracy, in an establishing ruse that was undertaken for some months, or even years. Afterwards, a reshuffling of actors took place, with new roles established as family-member survivors, which have played out ever since in the media.
The second type of faked death consists of real people in real professions whose social standing, or potential for media prominence as a victim of 9/11, precluded their being created out of recent whole cloth. These more established "persons" underwent rendition, in which their identities were disappeared, apparently even from the knowledge of friends or families, although the details are debatable. Their fates were the equivalent of a living death to any legitimate families, who had to endure the finality of the emotional losses---along with the millions of dollars in financial compensation.
The subtle distinction between the two is made clear when comparing the Jennifer Gardner interview with that of Howard Lutnik's. She is the "widow" of Lutnik's best friend and Cantor CFO, Doug Gardner. When she says of her orphaned children, "I want them to know that daddy did not leave because he wanted to, but that he was taken...and then, it wasn't his fault," she is not speaking about a murder, but from some place of complicit knowing.
Compare this with Howard Lutnik's surreal absence of feelings about his own brother, a lack of affect which causes a startled Chung to go off script and question why.
In other words, it's easy to spot both Gardner and Lutnik as liars on the tape, only for different reasons. Jennifer, as well as her father-in-law, were both "read-in" to the plot's perimeters. Her "knowing/not-knowing" ploy at a comprehension, is a ruse found in many other 9/11 widows records. They serve as a code for public consumption, like the euphemism that someone was merely "missing."
But this kind of partial confession doesn't allay the misdeeds. All stand as guilt as any Muslim suicide bomber would be in their acquiescing to demands, from whatever higher-power it is that guides them, to a public relations stunt, which necessitated that young children must lose parents.
For anybody holding such special knowledge, begs the question: what do they know, and when did they know it? When Jennifer answers with, "Yes. Doug's father, Joe Gardner called Doug at ten of nine when we heard...he heard, on the news, that there was a cras...an explosion," she is making two very different mistakes. One was her use of an incorrect pronoun, which suggests she shared in early knowledge of the disaster; but her slip-of-tongue from "crash" to "explosion" is not supported by the earliest reports that a plane was at fault, thus making her look shifty.
There is an extreme logical disconnect to this statement of Jennifer Gardner
"So, and you know, I heard, someone called me, and said someone talked to Doug, and I said fine, so I went home kind of casually to watch what happened,"beyond the obvious evasiveness. If her husband had responded to his father's call with alarm and panic during the opening moments of a crisis, who was the "someone" who casually informed Jen with second-hand news that all was cool with Doug, and to mosey on home when she could get around to it? This is called lying!
Coincidentally, Howard Lutnik also sends a signal he's lying with an incorrect pronoun usage. He says, "Well, my brother, my brother was on the 103rd floor, he worked, he worked for me, um, he worked at Cantor, and he, um, he called my sister," instead of the proper "our sister." Lutnik may have misspoken when he said his brother died on the 103rd floor---a problem Chung seems to address when she asks him, "normally you would have been in your office, ah...on which floor?" To which Howard replies, "on the 105th floor." If Howard meant to indicate that Gary worked directly as his personal assistant, or gopher, then the location of the executive offices is on 105, which would explain his noticeable change in tact from saying "he worked for me," to "he worked for Cantors"
Lutnik's timeline is also off when he says of the first building to collapse, "then I heard this sound. It sounded like another plane was going to hit the building," but Howard wasn't present for either of the plane crashes, so the "another" reference is another discrepancy. Maybe that's why he added nonsensically, "but it didn't sound like it was far away. It sounded like it was, like, right were the ceiling is above us. It was so unbelievably loud, and someone screamed out, "another one is coming," which forced Chung to ask him to clarify what it was he was talking about.
Apparently, like Donald Rumsfeld at the Pentagon, Lutnik was conspicuously missing-in-action during a crucial part of the morning. What else explains his poor excuse for a four-hour lapse---that he was "walking straight."
"So I just start walking, I start walking straight, and I just walked straight, I kept walking straight. And I called my wife four hours later, and she was hysterical crying. So I understand why it took lots of people lots of time. I was, I'm a pretty together person and I...four hours I walked. I just walked north, I just kept walking."At that pace he would have wound up marching past Yonkers. What became of his daily life-style accoutrement---his perk of a car and driver? This narrative detail has changed considerably in subsequent news reports, which have him traveling to the Upper West Side apartment of a Cantor colleague, or alternately, his lawyer's Greenwich Village townhouse.
Also questionable is Lutnik's claim that he encountered survivors who told him they exited from the 91rst-floor of the North Tower. Could Lutnik have been aware, 48-hours after the collapses, that no one had survived from above the point of plane impact---a hole which conveniently extended from the 92nd to 98th floors? And what about this coincidence in surviving the South Tower:
Only 14 people escaped from the impact zone of the South Tower after it was hit and only four people from the floors above it. Individuals escaped from as high up on the South Tower as the 91st floor after initial impact. WikipediaIn a total record lacking in much specificity, I would call Howard's recollection of a floor number as being an overwritten detail. It sounds more like the word-of-mouth talking points of a totally contrived and false narrative---it's called "getting your stories straight. On this tape, Connie Chung says the plane hit the North Tower "between floors 96 and 103," rather than the 92nd to 98th floors. Being in the media, Chung had access to all the uncontrolled photographs taken of the north facade of the North Tower---heavily witnessed parts of the "most photographed event in world history."
I will present evidence here later that no such damage as claimed prevented any actual access to any floor in the tower, either up or down, via the stairs, or even by way of working elevators.
If this tape of Jennifer vouchsafes that her husband Doug Gardner was a real person in the traditional sense of the word, then witnessing Howard's tense, syntax, attitude and point-of-view only adds to the mounting evidence, which indicts his brother Gary's identity as being in the classic mold of the ill-thought-out vicsim.
I find Howard's grammar to be even diabolical. Carefully read the following quotes from the interview above
"...so while I'm the head of the company, I'm trying to help my 700 employees who are missing their loved ones, I'm just, I'm just another one of them. I'm just another one of them."and
"...it's not about my family, I can kiss my kids. I can kiss my kids tonight, but other people don't get to kiss their kids."Yes, the dead don't get to kiss their kids specifically because the kids are alive and they're dead. It is the point of view of a living and pained child that we can empathize with rather. Howard is directly commiserating with the feelings belonging to his disappeared personnel---and I don't mean vicsims like "his brother Gary," the mention of whose death is repeated relentlessly---usually in the opening paragraph of any article. Howard treats him like a credential, for that is what he is to him.
"...but I lost my brother, and I'm in no different position then you are, I'm not any different,"says Howard, who apparently can't tell the difference between the meaning of "I'm trying to help my 700 employees who are missing their loved ones," and "I'm trying to help the loved ones of my missing 700 employees." Some unknown, but very small percentage of the 658 supposed 9/11 casualties from Cantor-Fitzgerald were once organically living and breathing co-workers of his, gainfully employed in mutual, shared effort. The only heart in Howard is for them.
But the vast majority of the names and faces we see in the media endlessly pimping out the sordid wares of a manufactured, synthetic and second-rate reality, exist merely as our specters and shadows---the necessary goads to improving consciousness, I am told. There are no true victims in the Cantor story---nor heroes for that matter.
Connie Chung doesn't get off easily here either. That her interview with Lutnik was said to have rescued her fading career from a previously botched interview with Gary Condit, only speaks to the thrall of emotionalism, which was a key component of the 9/11 psychological operation that overtook us.
If there is any professional journalism left in the world today, it is an incidental fact within an overarching system, which organizes and codifies the lines of power that animate and feed a faked "truth" served once warmed over as reality. It is patently obvious to me now, if it wasn't back then, that in watching this news video, every single component---person, place or thing---is an awful contrivance, especially unsuitable for today's cave walls.
CODA: The New York Times reported on January 23,2002, that Connie Chung Gets CNN Prime-Time Spot,
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